History of the Xbox 360 HD DVD Drive and the Blu-ray War Explained | Past Mortem [SSFF]

History of the Xbox 360 HD DVD Drive and the Blu-ray War Explained | Past Mortem [SSFF]


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By the way, it’s only five studios now, and that should scare you. By the way, it’s only five studios now, and that should scare you. [burp!] But that’s the future, back in 2005 where our story really begins, the popular thinking was that if you could sway all the major studios to your side, then your format would win. Sony had a major advantage over Toshiba because it already owned… er, Sony Pictures, obviously. And pretty quickly, Disney also threw in its lot with Blu-ray. So Sony already had two of the six major studios on their side, things were looking really good for them, but then they really drew a line in the sand by announcing in Spring 2005 that the hotly anticipated PlayStation 3 would have a Blu-ray drive. FYI, this was Sony trying to end the HD DVD battle before it even started! Remember, the PlayStation 2 was, at the time, on its way to becoming the best-selling console ever. It was not only a wild success, its ability to play DVD movies was a huge boon for the system in the early days. PlayStation had unmatched brand loyalty, and Sony was suddenly poised to do the same for Blu-ray. It also showed that Sony was 100% completely committed to Blu-ray. Synergy for the win! They were basically betting the farm on Blu-ray. And this is when Microsoft, Sony’s main competitor in the video game world, or at least the one they were most focused on, took notice. Until this point, Microsoft had largely stayed out of the HD format war, but they couldn’t let this shot from Sony go unanswered! But Sony was an entertainment/hardware manufacturer, a consumer electronics company, and Microsoft was… well, mostly a software company, and they had a different focus: Microsoft saw the future of media as online streaming, and they were busy, at the time, building the Xbox 360 to be an all-in-one living room entertainment device. It’s why they call it 360! Get it? It’s like – it’s like a circle! It’s all around you! You can’t escape it! I’m dizzy! So since Microsoft already dominated the workplace, they saw their game consoles as one of their entry points to owning the home as well. So they started publicly and privately fighting the Blu-ray format: Blu-ray’s stringent anti-piracy, which Sony implemented in order to get Fox on board, in particular became a public-facing issue for Microsoft. They wanted their users to be able to buy a movie, rip it to their computer, and then stream it to their Xbox 360, which is pretty tough to do when everything’s DRM’d to s***! This is reportedly what Bill Gates screamed at Sony CEO Howard Stringer at a closed-door meeting in mid-2005, which is kinda hilarious, considering Gates’ history with digital rights management. Even Stringer reportedly thought that there might have been more to this story. Regardless, by Fall 2005, HD DVD had a LOT of catching up to do. Toshiba had only been able to bring Universal to its side, and didn’t really have any significant industry partners. Blu-ray, on the other hand, had already exclusively signed on three of the major movie studios, with deals with Paramount and WB already in the works, and most of the consumer electronics industry on its side, Blu-ray was basically locked in, this war was over before it even started! And actually, Toshiba was ready to come to the table, but they had a secret weapon, with Microsoft backing them behind closed doors, they came to Sony with an offer: Let’s merge HD DVD and Blu-ray, with everything on the table for compromise, which Sony flat-out refused! And of course they did! But then, why did Toshiba, and by proxy Microsoft, even waste Sony’s time with attempts of compromise? Because this was a diversion, a gigantic troll, dredging up painful memories for Sony! After the decades-spanning Sony Betamax and JVC VHS war of the seventies and eighties, which you might have heard of, but maybe forgot that it involved Sony, like I did, there actually was a DVD war in the mid-nineties! Now, you might not have heard of any DVD drama because it actually never got off the ground. The players are familiar: Sony sponsored a special version of DVD, and Toshiba countered with their own. It was about to become another knock-down, drag-out war, but no-one wanted a repeat of the long, painful Betamax-VHS battle, so big industry players intervened. Eventually Sony and Toshiba agreed to combine their two formats with the new DVD disc that came out in 1996, borrowing bits of technology from each. But for Sony, there was one problem: Because of the compromises, they weren’t able to get the lion’s share of the royalties. Because essentially, that’s what physical format wars are all about: Royalties! On every player and every disc sold! It’s a really good racket! And DVD was monstrously successful, quickly replacing VHS, meaning that Sony had lost out on two good revenue opportunities so far. Fool me once, fool me twice, you know the saying. So, Sony was NOT about ready to start playing nice. Microsoft was, of course, aware of all of this. They wanted Sony to continue focusing on Blu-ray, and were betting they’d reject compromise. And I mean… Sony already had most of the tech and home video industry on their side, they really had no incentive to negotiate! So Microsoft got busy: They reportedly called around and scuttled Blu-ray’s talks with the two studios they hadn’t nailed down yet, Paramount and Warner Bros., turning them purple, meaning they’d support both formats. And then Microsoft publically came out in mid-2005 supporting HD DVD over Blu-ray. They were committed to HD DVD, making them the only major company outside of Toshiba that supported the format. The war was officially on. And that war was being fought on multiple fronts: Microsoft launched the Xbox 360 a couple months later in November 2005. Overall, it was a pretty successful launch, and you’d hope it would be, since neither Nintendo or Sony were shipping their next-gen consoles yet. But after the poor sales and profit margins of the original Xbox, Microsoft had mandated that the Xbox 360 be as cheap to make as possible. It was also rushed to the market in order to beat out the PlayStation 3, resulting in manufacturing problems, causing things like the dreaded Red Ring of Death, did not have an HDMI port, it launched with composite cables, and lacked a next-gen HD player. That’s right, baby! Xbox 360 ran on dee-vee-dees! … but not HD DVDs? Wait… I mean, just because Microsoft didn’t put HD DVD in 360… That didn’t mean they weren’t actually throwing their full weight behind it, right? Right? Right! So, in January 2006, Peter Moore announced that Xbox would be releasing an HD DVD drive later that year. Ah, you see? They just didn’t have time to put one in before launch, that’s all! It’s fine, don’t worry, it’s good, okay. Phew. Because facts were that next-generation players, and even the PS3, were dealing with horrible delays. Toshiba and Microsoft were banking on HD DVD beating Blu-ray to market, the same way Xbox 360 beat PS3. And they did! The first HD DVD player came out in April 2006 for $499, but they just didn’t have as much lead time as they wanted, because the first Blu-ray player came out only two months later, for a whopping $1,000! Whoo! I told you one of these formats was cheaper than the other! Also, because of the ramp-up to all these players, there were massive blue laser diode shortages. And a diode is… not important, okay, y’know what, There were shortages, that’s the important thing, the diode, they didn’t have a lot of ’em, so now all that mattered is that now they had to delay its planned Spring launch to November 2006, which gave enough time for Microsoft to clap back with the release of their Xbox 360 HD DVD Drive, and by the way, I think this is really relevant: A vast majority of people did not even have HDTV’s yet, and couldn’t really watch HD video. Gamers especially had this problem, as you could see from the controversy storm around Dead Rising’s choice to make the game difficult to play in standard definition. Literally! Capcom only tested the game on HDTV’s, and essential dialog was difficult or impossible to read if you played the game on a 4:3 tube TV. Just remember that context as we dive into the Xbox 360 HD DVD Drive, here it is! This beauty sold for $199 at launch – again, we got ours for $5. So! This drive hooks up to the Xbox 360 via a USB. Because 360’s did not have HDMI out at the time, people would need HDTVs with component hookups, or VGA hookups if they bought an adapter, to fully appreciate the next generation of video! Even if one managed to have this, it was really rare and expensive to have an HDTV that supported something other than HDMI, even at the time, some of the most popular HDTV’s, like the Sony A2000 series, had compatibility issues with the drive. What is your problem? Don’t give me that look! Beyond that, like we said earlier, most gamers – and I say gamers ‘cuz you need a 360 to hook this up – didn’t even have HDTV’s yet! Y’know, we’ve so far been focusing on the how and the why all this was made, without talking about the bigger issue here: The market was WAY not ready for this HD move! So basically, this HD DVD drive was for no-one. Sorry bud. That’s why you were $5. Despite this, the Xbox 360 HD DVD player was priced so that if you bought the cheapest model of Xbox 360 and the drive, it would cost the same as the cheapest PS3, so as long as you had an Xbox 360, and you were all about that dongle lifestyle, it was a decent deal! But the drive wasn’t the only thing Microsoft did to up their competitive edge on the PS3. Beyond already having a few gaming-focused features like achievements, they also revised their hardware so that each 360 was sold at a profit, and more importantly, they launched their digital video download and rental store on Xbox Live. Microsoft was makin’ some serious moves. They had not only taken one more step towards their final goal of being a one-stop entertainment shop, home video streaming had officially arrived to game consoles. The PlayStation 3’s launch, on the other hand, was pretty rough: The decision to bet the farm and include a Blu-ray player jacked up the price by an estimated $125, making the PS3 cost $499, or $599 for the more souped-up version. This price point was a disaster for Sony, and for most gamers, the much cheaper Xbox was the easy choice. How in the world could Sony justify such an incredible price?! Well, remember that this was the generation where it wasn’t just about gaming anymore, and while $499 was very expensive for a game console, it was NOT for a Blu-ray player! To understand Sony, you need to know that the PS3 was the first Blu-ray player released under $1,000 and worked better than most others on the market at the time! Though it was probably the loudest, amirite? [loud fan buzzing] ZIABAMA: “… how loud the PS3 fan is, like…”
[loud fan buzzing] “Check it out…”
[loud fan buzzing] [loud fan buzzing] DEREK: Amirite?
[loud fan buzzing] [loud fan buzzing] They were actually gouging themselves with that price, since they were losing $200-300 per console sold. To make matters worse, the PS3 as a gaming system just didn’t have the software it needed at launch, its exclusive launch game highlights being Resistance, Ridge Racer, and Genji: Days of the Blade, which… wasn’t great. Okay… they’re fine games, but remember: They had to compete with Gears of War on Xbox! So, PS3’s sat on the shelf, and Sony closed out 2006 with only 1 million units sold in North America, way under its goal of 2.4 million units. But let’s bring it back to Blu-ray versus HD DVD: It’s 2007 now, and one of the major problems with this HD war was that it was making consumers gun-shy. Most people just weren’t jumping on the HD bandwagon yet because they didn’t want to be stuck with the losing format. Microsoft, for example, understood that, in fact, Microsoft didn’t release a 360 with an HDMI port until the Elite model in April 2007, almost a year and a half after launch! Yes, they released an HD player before HDMI for the system! Even still, there wasn’t a huge incentive for most people to buy in on HD… yet. That’s why even though Sony’s one-million PS3’s was way under projections, it was still significant in the battle for the HD home video market. Sony was using the PS3 as a Blu-ray Trojan horse, sold as a new game console, but used as an HD video player too! If only they had the games to really move boxes off shelves. KAZ HIRAI: “Riiidge Racer! Remember that one?” DEREK: Still, Sony’s plan was working! Thanks to the PS3, Blu-ray was outselling HD DVD at a rate of two-to-one, and this was despite some aggressive price reduction rebates from Toshiba. Soon, two of the biggest dealers in movies, Blockbuster and Target, dropped HD DVD from their stores. By mid-2007, PlayStation was lagging behind Xbox, but Blu-ray’s lead on HD DVD was pretty much cemented. The war was considered mostly over… again. But then! In a suprise move in August 2007, Paramount and its partner Dreamworks Animation Studios made a deal for exclusivity on HD DVD in exchange for a reported $150 million and some free advertising. That’s right, they’re going red, baby! Just in time for HD DVD to cinch two of the most popular movies of the year, Shrek the Third and Transformers. But… why this sudden move?! And we’re not exactly sure, accounts differ: Paramount said they MIGHT have gotten some payment, and Microsoft said there MIGHT be payment, though they didn’t write any checks, which, like… I dunno, this whole thing’s really weird, and we don’t know what to tell ya! But perhaps, and this is a super-big “perhaps”, someone who was very interested in prolonging the HD DVD/Blu-ray war, at the cost of companies like Sony, AND was big enough that it wouldn’t miss $150 million, handed over some dosh just to keep the fight going. Personally, my money’s on Microsoft, even though they denied. I mean look at this: Sony was losing the video game war, but they were killing it in the home video war, by a huge margin! And then Paramount suddenly wants to keep this war going, even though top execs already said that this whole war doesn’t matter? Fall 2007 was a really late time to suddenly have an interest in this format war, we definitely can’t prove anything, but it just doesn’t add up! At the very least, Microsoft was involved in the HD DVD promotion group that was in charge of commercials, and signed another generous deal with Paramount’s parent company, Viacom, later that year. Whatever the case, this seemed poised to prolong the HD DVD battle for another year at least. It also made Warner Bros., who was responsible for a majority of the physical video market at the time, the only purple studio standing. As the year closed out, the PS3 had sold 3.25 million units total. Overall, though it had been shaken by the Paramount deal, Blu-ray maintained its edge over HD DVD. Sony was making strides in the home video market, though at a high cost to their former dominance in the video game market. In January 2008, right before the opening of the Consumer Electronics Show, right when it would have had the maximum impact and would have given HD DVD the least amount of wiggle room, Warner Bros. surprised announced that it was dropping HD DVD in favor of Blu-ray. To borrow the lingua franca of the time, Warner Bros. basically spawn-camped on HD DVD and then tea-bagged them while they were down! Is that too much? I was playing a lot of Halo at the time, it seemed like an appropriate way to put that… … anyway, I just can’t oversell to you what a big deal this was! And this time, this decision wasn’t the result of some calculated backdoor deal: You see, Warner Bros. had been selling Total HD discs that could work on both players, but after the Paramount deal, they decided to sell both formats side-by-side and let the market decide. One of these first movies was Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, and guess what? The Blu-ray version sold better, and that was that. By choosing sides, Warner Bros. gave Blu-ray control of 75% of the home video market. Toshiba claimed HD DVD wasn’t dead, but it also cancelled its big HD DVD press conference later that day at the Consumer Electronics Show. They then, in a desperate move, slashed the prices of HD DVD players by 50%, but it wasn’t enough: Pretty soon two more big players in the home video business, Wal-Mart and Netflix, dropped HD DVD, and Toshiba finally gave in. In mid-February 2008, Toshiba announced they would no longer make HD DVD players. After that, the rest of the supporters fell like dominoes: Universal and Paramount went all-in on Blu-ray, and Microsoft begrudingly discontinued Xbox HD DVD drives a few days later. After only one year and ten months of official battle, Blu-ray ended up outselling HD DVD by a factor of four-to-one, with 81% of all Blu-ray players being PlayStation 3’s. Xbox 360 HD DVD Drive, by the way, accounted for only 30% of HD DVD players on the market. HD DVD was officially dead. Blu-ray, and by extension Sony, was the winner. Or were they? Y’know, one thing I’ve learned about Microsoft is that it’s always about the long con. And to explain what I mean, we’re gonna turn to one of the most esteemed intellectual leaders of our time… … Michael- Michael Bay? Is that right? Michael Bay. BAY: “What you don’t understand is corporate politics.” “Microsoft wants both formats to fail so they can be heroes and make the world move to digital downloads.” “That’s the dirty secret no-one’s talking about,” “that’s why Microsoft is handing out $100 million checks to studios” “just to embrace the HD DVD and not the leading and superior Blu-ray.” “They want confusion in the market until they perfect digital downloads.” “Time will tell, and you will see the truth.” “I’m Michael Bay, professional ****bag,” “signing out from the Shoot for the Edit forums after Transformers went HD DVD.” Okay, stick with me here: Just because the peeing robots guy thinks it’s all a conspiracy theory… doesn’t mean it isn’t! It’s hard for me to explain all of Microsoft’s actions otherwise, the multiple times they’ve rescued HD DVD from oblivion, without actually doing the thing that would have saved it: Putting an HD DVD drive inside the 360! Because we know the PS3 won this format war for Sony! Can you imagine how different all this would have been if 360 had HD DVD built in? So for once, I agree with the Hollywood director that just won’t let feathered hair die! BAY: “This sentence was directed by Michael Bay.” Microsoft at least partially used HD DVD to distract Sony and push everyone onto its upcoming video streaming services, of which Xbox 360 would be the center of. You see, a few months after the death of HD DVD, Microsoft unveiled its newer, more casual-friendly NXE redesign, and announced that Xbox 360 would be the first and only console system with Netflix, an exclusivity they held for about a year. And this would be in addition to its other video rental and download store, launched a year and a half earlier in 2006. Sony, on the other hand, had only just launched its video download store and trophies, and was seriously lagging behind Xbox on streaming. Since Sony’s online services were free, they weren’t able to compete with the quality of Xbox Live, which was largely funded through its $50-a-year Gold membership. Self-plug: We actually went over a lot of this in our Netflix video, if you wanna know more! Sony was so focused on cornering the physical market and its delicious royalties that they weren’t able to see that the future of entertainment was going to be online streaming, or they were so invested in finally getting a piece of that physical media market that they weren’t able to course-correct to streaming fast enough. I get it! Losing to Betamax and DVD was just too painful for them, and they couldn’t see straight! Microsoft knew this, and exploited it. It’s hard to break down exactly how much money Sony made off of Blu-ray. How the royalties for Blu-ray are split between all the founding companies has never been disclosed, but by 2014, Sony admitted that it no longer thinks it would be able to make back its investment on Blu-ray. That includes R&D, marketing, persuading industry and studio players onto their side, and hardware. The PS3 itself would go on to overtake the 360 in global sales, but it lost Sony billions! And Blu-ray still isn’t the dominant force in physical home video market, no! That crown still belongs to DVD! Right now, go to Best Buy, go to Wal-Mart, you will still see more DVD’s than Blu-rays! In 2019! Imagine ten years ago, still seeing more VHS tapes than DVD’s! When Blu-ray and HD DVD launched in 2006, YouTube was already a sensation. Remember to comment and rate five stars, y’all! And it was already apparent that the physical market was on its way out: Today the home video market is bigger than it’s ever been, and digital absolutely dominates it. The fact of the matter is that Sony was so focused on not being Betamax or the loser on DVD’s again, that they failed to see that the cheapest, most convenient solution had once again beaten them, only this time, it was all online. As for everyone else, Toshiba was actually fine after pulling out of the HD market. It turns out finished electronic goods like HD DVD players and TV’s accounted for less than 10% of their bottom line anyway. Microsoft would continue to largely dominate the PS3 for most of the generation, though by the end, cracks were beginning to show. I wonder if ports like the four-disc Wolfenstein on Xbox 360 made them regret sticking with a DVD drive. Their ultimate goal, to have the Xbox brand as the streaming entertainment center of the living room, might have worked if they hadn’t so thoroughly bungled the announcement of Xbox One, and Sony was ready to jump on that, and dominated this generation of consoles with the PlayStation 4. [chuckles] I mean, it’s kind of ironic that Microsoft probably plays Sony a royalty for every Xbox One sold, because of the Blu-ray drive! But now? We’re actually gearing up for a new entertainment war, and Sony and Microsoft have joined forces, at least for now, for the transition to streaming video games, all in the service of making sure Google and others don’t beat them at their own game. [sigh] War never changes… Big shout-out to Geoff from Mother’s Basement for being our Michael Bay in this video, links to his channel in the description below, and hey! 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100 thoughts on “History of the Xbox 360 HD DVD Drive and the Blu-ray War Explained | Past Mortem [SSFF]

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    EDIT: Also want to acknowledge that we could have done a better job explaining how Blu-ray/HD DVD technology works! It's not necessarily that it's more powerful persay, it's that the blue/ultraviolet laser has a higher wavelength, meaning more information could be crammed into a tighter space, and this combined with the a new physical disc structure meant more data could be delivered to the end user. (basically!) I tried to use shorthand and say it was "more powerful" which is kinda true in a colloquial sense, but not from a technical standpoint. Kicking myself over it! – Producer Grace ➕??

  2. Text in Dead Rising 1 was only hard to read on tube tv if you used composite! I had the model you used for an example and those sets supported "S Video" and that seperated the colors and white signals making the text crisp.

  3. The tech explanation isn't quite right. Blue Lasers are smaller (finer in scale) than Red Lasers because the actual wavelength of the blue light is smaller than red light. A laser can by as small and detailed as the wavelength of the coherent light it is composed of.
    Also, all commercial optical discs are pressed into the plastic by a glass master disk (Blu Rays also). Only consumer writable/re-writable disks burn the disk with a laser.

  4. Downfall of blu ray? Blu ray is still the current format. Ultra HD blu ray disc… and blu ray laser is violet not blue.

  5. 5:51 and surprisingly it's very useful if you have MCE or Home Premium/Ultimate operating systems with Media Center, allowing you to play (Video>16-20mbps CBR 1 pass VC-1 (Audio>768kbps 5.1 audio+plus av receivers that decode that particular format. 768kbps WMA Pro audio is the exact full spectrum 1536kbps DTS which again, needed av receiver.

  6. Hey, you didn't really need HDMI in order to get HD. in fact, the Xbox 360 is the only console where you can get 1080p (not 1080i) through component.

  7. This is the reason why Microsoft didn't give the Xbox 360 DTS HD HR or Dolby Digital Plus. They knew the HD DVD would fail, and they already had WMA Pro 768kbps 5.1 audio with certain av receivers to decode your Expression Encoder 4 encoded movies through WMP11 or Media Center, or USB if the file's within FAT32 spec (4GB).

  8. Speaking of royalties on formats and whatnot, you all should make a video about the history of Nintendo completely avoiding every single one of the "main" formats used during these consoles lifetime. They always did their own thing, and I'd love to hear an in-depth story about that.

  9. I still wish though that HVD (Holographic Versatile Discs, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc ) would still come out. It should have come out around 2006-2008 [ish] with a 6 TB storage capacity vs Blu-Ray's 0.05 TB (Dual Layer) discs. At the time (around 2006), if I remember right, the max hard drive capacities were about 6 TB (or even smaller, I can't remember for sure), but I thought it would be nice to back up my whole hard drive on just one disc. Even today, just a couple discs (assuming the new 15 TB hard drives aren't completely full).

    The discs were mostly meant for video though and were going to be compatible with Ultra HD content. I wander though if Sony had anything to do with the demise of the HVD disc since they did invest so heavily into Blu-Ray and didn't want a disc that could hold 120 times the storage of 50 GB Blu-Ray discs competing with them.

  10. This episode remind me of the always important question, what if the N64 used the CD format instead the old cartridge system?

  11. I keep forgetting just HOW FAR ahead of the curve my dad was on HD. He got one of the first HDTV's on the market in like 2001. I didn't even realize at the time this whole format war was going on that most people still didn't have an HDTV yet. I'd just sort of assumed that if you could afford a 7th-gen console, you could also afford either a standalone HDTV, or one of the hybrid computer monitor/TVs that were out there. (I also hadn't quite realized just HOW well-off my parents were relative to the average American.)

    Granted, I also didn't realize at the time that HDTVs cost multiple thousands of dollars, to the point that people had shopped an image of Vegeta's "OVER 9000" scene from DBZ onto a photo of an HDTV for sale because it was, yes, over $9000. (Meanwhile, just 10 years later, I have a smart TV that cost a couple hundred. TVs have gotten way cheaper since the 00s.)

  12. That's true, with the exception of bluray as video game media, I never owned a bluray movie disc. For me, it's only digital since the ps360 era. And I don't think I ever will, since when I'm in a store that sells bluray movies, generally, is the abandoned corner, with the movies collecting dust. The format war, was the emptier win ever for Sony.

  13. Really great video you two. I mean, I tend to enjoy all your videos but felt they way structured the narrative made it such a fun and exciting watch. Keep up the great work!

  14. No one wants to stream video games get real what if your power goes out what if your internet goes out you're living in a different dimension if you think that's going to happen

  15. The Reason why that fucking fan on the FAT PS3 was so loud was because of a design flaw!!!! They slapped the Power supply directly over the GPU and so that bitch would get really hot. That is why the Yellow Light OF Death exists mainly on the FAT version!!!!! They should have made the power supply external and maybe the overheating issues wouldn't have been so frequent!!!!

  16. "I got the gym sometimes I know about swamp"

    Nigga nah, nah you dont. Not till you spent 2 weeks living in a tent where you was lucky to get shower once or twice the the whole time, and then rucked 13.5 miles in heatcat 4 wearing 40lbs of gear, carrying weapon wearing long pants and a jacket, full battle rattle and all your clothes and toiletries are in the ruck on your back.

    Then talk to me about swamp ass and chaffing.

  17. I was Blu until Paramount switched to HD DVD & knew life without HD Star Trek wasn't for me! In those early days HD DVD movies did actually look better as Microsoft's VC1 codec was primarily used while Blu used AVC & even MPEG2! The 360's external HD DVD drive is actually the correct size & shape to replace a 360's internal DVD drive, I guess MS just didn't want to pull the trigger in having a 3rd 360 model on the shelves so soon after launch & not upset early adopters.

  18. Tbh calling the online streaming the "cheaper" format in this day and age, with everyone and their mother launching their streaming service (especially in the United States, with the death of Net Neutrality and companies being able to do what they want with internet connection and access to sites) and making everything yet another cable package situation is… well, questionable.

  19. It was rare for HDTVs of the time to have component input? Uhhh, no. They were found even on CRT TVs from around that period…

  20. Heck I didn't get an HDTV until around 2010-2011 (and I had a 360 and PS3). I was still gaming on a SONY Trinitron CRT, the only reason why I switched was due to the TV going out. So up until that point I didn't bother with Blu-ray or HD-DVD movies, and really I still don't really bother with Blu-ray, I do have a few Blu-ray movies, but mostly I stream my movies.

    Now I have a 55" 4k TV, only bought that due to the original HDTV acting up.

  21. Early HD or HD-ready TV had a plethora of inputs! But maybe because I live in Europe. Mine had HDMI, Scart, Component, VGA and composite. Even the small, cheaper ones had those… and only later they started phasing out component. But again, it must have been different in the U.S., I guess.

  22. Energy in the laser has NOTHING to do with capacity. Blue laser is higher wavelength and can be focused on a tighter beam. Hense be able to read smaller data spirals

  23. I worked at Sony during some of this, and was at the CES where Toshiba had canceled the press conferences. Their huge HD-DVD booth on the show floor was a very sad sight to see.

    I also went to the Microsoft booth and tried to play Guitar Hero, and their demo 360 immediately RRoD'ed on me.

    It felt like a good time to be a Sony employee.

  24. I guess I'm the only one that is bothered by the composite cables standing in for component cables… Sigh…. Maybe next time cover them in Red, Green, and Blue tape or something so we know you know the difference…. I assume you do and just didn't have a component cable, If you don't it's kind of important it's the difference between getting an HD quality signal and an SD signal. (I think I need to sleep, I'm starting to hear myself sound nit-picky)

  25. The original 360 supported component, which does 1080p, that is HD, so not sure what your talking about when you talk about it taking a year and a half for hdmi and HD.

  26. HD DVD, Blu-ray, cool cool. I’ll just be over here with my VCR watching 90’s anime I recorded on VHS tapes. 😛

  27. Not to overstate, but this is such a well-produced video, it's a great story, told/presented well, killed all my confusion on this incarnation of the format wars, and it's well worth sticking around to the end. With other, more recent videos in mind, just felt this had to be said. Thanks, SSFF.

  28. Awesome video! I can definitely remember the constant articles on the issue around 2006 on every tech site at the time.

  29. Great video! During my time in college approximately 6 years ago I did a 30-35 page research paper on this Blu-ray/HD-DVD battle & oddly I very much enjoyed the research. Especially when I presented it coupled with a PowerPoint & seeing almost everyone in my class have no idea this event even happened. I'm a new subscriber with this being in the first few videos I've watched! I'll definitely be back to watch! Great presentation & research overall! Thanks!

  30. I like you channel and understand you have bills to pay, but not really interested in being forced to listen to problems about your sweaty nuts.

  31. other people have probably already said it, manufactured disks for most all formats are stamped instead of burned. burning the data in is more of a custom disk thing as stamping is far far cheaper.

  32. All those cables triggers me ???????
    So glad I don’t need one
    no you don’t need one you don’t need one you have no need to start another collection

  33. 12:19 I don't know about you, but I'm pretty sure most HDTVs(even now in 2019), come standard with both composite and component RCA input options.

  34. One thing you forgot, sony is getting royalties on every xbox one since they have blurays. Since they get royalties on every drive too

  35. I'm one of those weirdos that bought the HD DVD drive ($20 new when they were on clearance) and never owned an XBOX 360. I just bought it at the end of the format war to rip my HD DVD's to my hard drive.

  36. So this notion that no one had HDTVs and they were still too expensive in 2006 is way off. I got my first HDTV in 2006, a 32 inch 720p Vizio from Costco for the absurd price of… $329.99. See, the real issue was, tech back in 2006 wasn’t thought of as disposable as it is today. Most people that bought a new TV from 2002-2005 probably wouldn’t be interested in buying another one for at least 5 years. This is before the era of people getting a new phone or tablet every year and a new games console every 3.

    Also it had component. I think most HDTVs did.

  37. I had to deal with my cousin's dumbass thinking that since HD DVD was dead that the 360 would be dead because he thought that game discs were also HD DVD. He wouldn't hear me when I told him repeatedly that 360 game discs were DVDs

  38. I remember all this as a young consumer, and at the time I was not gaming anymore in fact I could care less. But the PS3 brought me back cause of that shitty bluray format… Funny how consumerism works…?‍♂️. And at the time I had no concept of how important the cables and connections were… Which then turned into me buying HDTVs and all this shit and I still wasn't impressed…?‍. 1000's of dollars and a bunch of equipment later and by the end of it, all I had to show for it was a BEST BUY ELITE membership…?. So be wary young ppl, 8k will be very expensive and do your research… it may help you grasp where we really are in media and what is being promoted?

  39. 4:20 want to make it even scarier?

    Universal is owned by Comcast who own MSNBC and Verizon, Paramount is owned by Viacom who own CBS and Comedy Central, Warner is owned by AT&T who own so many companies it's not even funny, and Sony make everything from dishwashers to marketing to military hardware.

    The corporate world is terrifying.

  40. I am one of the 300,000 people who bought (and still own) an Xbox 360 HD DVD player. To this day, I still stand by my belief that HD DVD provides a cleaner and slightly superior picture over Bluray. Transformers on HD DVD looks far better than any of the subsequent releases of the franchise on Bluray with maybe Bumblebee being the only exception but that might be the nostalgia talking since the first 15 or so minutes perfectly captured G1 Transformers in CG and proved that Michael Bay was wrong all along. That doesn't hold true for all movies though. For example, I recall my HD DVD copy of Doom looking like crap compared to my DVD copy. Don't you dare ask why I own two copies of that shit show! We Were Soldiers is probably my favorite movie besides Transformers to showcase what HD DVD was capable of. HD DVD had better video quality and Bluray has better audio (the extra disc storage might have something to do with that). That's just my opinion.

  41. I wish Microsoft had put the HD DVD in the 360. It would have been better in the long run even if the format was no longer supported. It's still a format with a lot more space than a DVD

  42. Look youtube, I clicked on the thumbs up button, I subscribed, and I wrote a comment. That means I enjoyed this content. You hear me, algorithm? I like this. Take a note. Also hi Derek!

  43. Microsoft wants to monopolize digital downloads
    Microsoft store with literally less than 1MB download speeds while I have gigabit ethernet speeds

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